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angularjs - Trying to get child records from Firebase

Am in the angular-fire-seed tutorial stage and experimenting with messages and child posts, for some bizarre reason I cannot see the children when I explicitly try to display them, but can see it when expanding on the parent node in the console. These messages display properly in the html where I have the ng-repeat, so I know I am getting the messages at least, albeit childless.

I thought angularfire-seed utils might be chopping or slicing some children so I reverted to straight firebase

This is what I have:

Code:
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var url = fbutil.ref() + "/messages/";
var ref = new Firebase(url);

var sync = $firebase(ref).$asArray();

console.log(sync);          //this I can see as a proper $firebaseArray object
console.log(sync.length);   //this displays as 0 even though length is 3 in object above
console.log(sync[1]);       //displays as undefined 

Data:
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messages/id1/text
        /id2/text
        /id2/post
        /id3/text

Thanks in advance for pointing out what I am mis-assuming !

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